text: In reply to message71710: Yes, but for those that need/want at a much lower price point, these are good, about 1/4 the price. I, for one, cannot afford lvl-4. I have 1 lvl-3+, 2 lvl-3, 2 9x9 Freeman (lvl-3) and a lvl-3A. Ya get what ya can afford. The ones you list are more than 1/4 of my monthly income.